Journal #15

Veronika Castellanos

ED 190

4/14/11

Journal #15

What characteristics do you think make up the "mythical norm" in American society (or in the world)? Relate these to the topics we have covered in class. Where do you feel like you fit in society with respect to this "norm"?

I really want to apply this idea of the “mythical norm” with the ideologies that come along with race and ethnicity. I think that there is an abundance of stereotypes when it comes to thinking about various cultures around the world. As a society, not only do we judge and stereotype ideas of “otherness” when it comes to other parts of the world, but we also apply this to people who live in this U.S. We take ideas that have been thrown at us whether it is in the classroom or by the media, and we begin to adopt them as a universal truth because that is all we have been exposed to. I also think that when people hear and see a consistent idea of race and/or ethnicity they reflect upon society and they begin to generalize as a whole. And if someone becomes aware of this mold that they are supposedly suppose to be a part of, they can make the decision to either sit back and accept it, or they can change it and progress from that. To be honest, I am finding it really difficult to place myself into a particular “norm” of society. One thing I can think of is that since I look white, I’m sure many people assume I’m privileged. I have been told that I look like a snob and a “princess.” I have always had to work for my own money; I come from a low-income family, and my parents aren’t able to contribute a dime to my education and it’s ok. I have learned a lot about responsibility because of it. I don’t come from a college bound family; I’m the first one in my family to go to college. Both of my parents are immigrants from Mexico and they are not familiar at all with the university system, so I have had to navigate myself through school. It’s a person’s choice whether they want to branch out and learn about different cultures, and I know that I want to continue to be a part of such a diverse community.

Journal 15: Mythical Norm--Aimee Liwanag

The "mythical norm" is all around us.  It is what we see
everyday. It is how we judge people before getting to
know them.  It is because of the mythical norm is life
and interactions with others the way that it usually is. 
In American society, there are several characteristics
that make up the mythical norm.  Certain characteristics
include: gender,race, sexual orientation, age, religion,
ethnicity, etc.  Although it isn't proper for one to judge
a person based on a particular aspect of their identity
whether it be because they are Jewish or because they are
a woman,the mythical norm enables us to do this.  Since the
United States is a melting pot filled with various cultures,
identities, etc. we don't always know how to interact with
one another, especially if they are of a different identity.
To know more about a different identity, many of us do not
go up to a person and learn about him or herself, for that is
too time consuming and involves a lot of effort.  Instead we
judge them based on what we hear about them, and not about
what we know.  This relates to everything that we have
discussed in class, especially when it comes to education.
For example, since the mythical norm of asian students is that
 they are very intelligent and excel especially in Math, it is
normal for one to attribute an Asian's success in one's math
class to the fact that he or she is Asian, without even
attributing one's success to the fact that the student has
studied hard.  Although Asians are seen to be great students and
great at math, I feel as though I fit into the "mythical norm",
but at the same time I don't. Even though I would like to deem
myself as an intelligent student, I can't say that i fit into the
norm for I am not good at math.  In fact, math is one of my
weakest subjects.  The fact that i do not fully fulfill this
mythical norm, it is one step in breaking this assumption for it
enables people to realize that this norm is false and that one
should not assume that one is a certain way because of how
society generalizes and makes them out to be.

Journal 15 Mythical NORM ...TERUKO

The mythical norm to me is just a scale that all americans try to fit into and it is a way to WEIGH privilege. Think of it this way The mythical norm for an american to really succeed and obtain the AMERICAN DREAM is a Middle class, white heterosexual christian man. The less classifications you identify with is the furthest away from the American Dream you'll be. I put this picture because it represents the idea that the American Dream is not all that obtainable and it is not all that it is squared up to be. I feel as if society proclaims that a woman who is mixed race like me, homosexual and in an impoverished state could not ever obtain the american dream.

The american dream is such a drag, especially for those people who immigrate to this country believing that they will have a better life and opportunity yet majority of the time Immigrants will take low wage jobs painting white picket fences they'll never get to own and washing glass ceilings they'll never break through. The whole reason why this norm is called MYTHICAL is the idea that it is not fully true that there is room for us to obtain this success, but unlike those who fit into this privileged category we are not as equipped for this road so we must pick up appliances and resources along the way. BUT WE CAN ACHIEVE IF WE PUT OUR MIND TO IT...lets beat oppression with its own stick!!!!!

Mythical Norm Journal- Fazal Mogaddedi

I'm not completely sure what characteristics make up the "mythical norm" but I'm sure they have a lot to do with race, gender, social/economic standing etc! Chris Rock once joked "Shaquille O'Neil is rich, but the white guy signing his check is wealthy." I think that one of the characteristics within' this norm is that if you're white you are at the top of the social/economic ladder and you're automatically going to get the job over a minority. I think at times that is true, but not all the time. I have thought that if I were white things would be a lot more easy, and I'd be able to get a better job, get away with more things but I know that's not true deep inside. I myself feel that I fall in the category of Immigrant-American. I come from a low income family who puts a lot of focus on education, i wasn't the most popular kid in school but I had my group of friends that i hung out with. These norms also fall into sports as well. If you're African American you're automatically supposed to be good at a sport, you're supposed to be a jock etc. These are stereotypes that have been implanted within our minds unconsciously. At the school, the athletes, tough guys were always popular and if you weren't categorized in that circle you were outcasted at times because you didn't fit the mold. i think everyone is unique in their own ways, and everyone has something different to offer the world, this mythical norm that everyone is measured up against takes away the uniqueness of the individuals and it makes people act like someone they are not just to fit in and be "normal."

Mythical Norms - Natalie Johnson

It is difficult for me to list the characteristics that make up this "mythical norm." I guess factors such as race, age, gender, the clothing one wears, and a person's actions are all part of what make up stereotypes. It's weird for me to think about stereotypes because honestly I wonder where how they originated and where they came from. Was it our basic human nature that makes us want to categorize things- including people- that put this idea into our mind that because a majority of a group acts in a certain way, every member of that group must act that way? I"m not really sure. But it is an interesting thing to ponder.

I think that someone who didn't know me would say that I fit into the "typical white girl" stereotype pretty well. I come from an upper middle class family and have lived a comfortable life in terms of always having the essentials and being able to do extracurricular activities and things like that. I live in a suburb, have an older sister and two younger step sisters, and 2 dogs. If someone who didn't know me had to categorize me and say whether or not I fit your average white girl stereotype, I think they would definitely say yes. I'm not going to lie, this still bothers me. I wish it didn't, and I think in time it won't anymore, but it does. Yes, I was born into a family with the means to provide me with everything that I needed and most things that I wanted. I did not choose this. It was what I was born into. It doesn't mean I'm some spoiled brat who doesn't appreciate what I have though, and recognize that I am extremely fortunate. I have felt attacked at times, whether directly or indirectly through passive aggressiveness and what have you, by people who fit into different stereotypes than me. And honestly, I think that everyone in the world can fit into a stereotype, because there are SO MANY it's ridiculous. And that's exactly what stereotypes are- ridiculous. I think we should all make it a point to make a conscious effort to abolish the stereotypes we encounter each day in our lives. And that's what it must be- a CONSCIOUS effort- because I think that stereotypes are so engraved into our minds without us even realizing it (for a lot us, that is).

Something else that bothers me is being put into the stereotype of the typical "sorority girl." I know a lot of you will probably read this and laugh. But I hope that one day you will be able to get over this stereotype. People laugh at sororities because of many different reason: "you're paying for friends," "you're all a bunch of idiots who just want to do each other's makeup and have pillow fights," the things I've heard on this list go onnnn and on. But while you judge me for being in a sorority, just remember that you don't know what it's like to be in a sorority. I don't pay for friends- I pay dues for the upkeep of the house and the chapter. I have literally met my best friends in my sorority, people who have changed me for the better and have affected my life permanently. While you may judge me for being in a sorority and spending money on things you may think are stupid (but you really just don't understand), just remember that I find it silly that someone would spend thousands of dollars "pimping out their car"- but then I check myself and realize "hey, it's their money, and it's how they want to spend it. It doesn't affect me at all- why am I even thinking about this person?" You really can't judge anyone until you've taken a walk in their shoes and truly know them, and while people look at me and see all of the privileges that I have (and that I am aware of!), just take a step back before being bitter towards me and give me the chance that I am giving you. I try my best to give everyone a fair chance in life without judgement, and I only ask for the same from everyone else.

Journal 15 | Mythical Norms | Wendy Wu

I think the most prevalent mythical norm for me is the white male, the cream of the crop. I think males in the world, in general though, get distributed more resources. I hear this reoccurring a lot in my discussions, lectures, conversations, etc. For me, when there's a talk about minorities or discrimination, the white male is used as a comparison to show the difference in privileges. I think with time, I have somewhat internalized this, but I don't believe it's a fact because I remain optimistic. Although I agree that the American Dream is a myth, I do not agree that social mobility is a myth even though some say it is. I will remain hopeful because I want to be that anomaly to inspire others to question and challenge the system. I know the journey will be tough, but bring it! As a first generation college student, low-income, person of color, immigrant, and womyn, I want to prove to myself and the world that you can overcome obstacles to be in industries and positions that are not conventionally held by people like yourself. Although I am just a second year and I know my sentences are packing a punch because I cannot control what will happen in the future, I will continue to be optimistic and I will continue fighting. I've noticed that my passions - politics, law, business - are all industries that are dominated by white men, but this will not phase me. I want to be in these industries because I want to break stereotypes. I like to say that I have a progressive way of thinking, and I want to keep providing this voice in all the spaces I will be a part of in the future. I will remember my roots and return to my community to inspire youth to pursue higher education and to create the life they want to live because social mobility is possible despite how hard the path might be. Maybe my previous statement is idealistic because I can be idealistic at times. And I know that I have been pretty privileged to get to where I am today. I know hard work isn't everything, but we should not be controlled by the circumstances that we were born into and had no control over. We cannot control what we were given at birth, but we can control our present and future. I like to say that anything is possible because that's just my personality, and I want to be able to inspire others to do the same. I want to remind others to check themselves if they are not being politically correct, so I will set the example by using gender neutral language and voicing my opinion in a way that represents my community. There is hope. I will believe. :)

journal 15 - Isel Lee

I feel that mythical norms are what people accept as reality without questioning them. For example, I have been brought up in my family to believe in the model minority myth, which was also reinforced in school. Listening to conversations between my mom and other Asian women, I came to believe that Asians are better academically and have good work ethic because for some reason it’s within our blood. At school, both teachers and students made stereotypical comments that generalized Asians as smart, talented, etc. etc. Since I was a beneficiary of it at first, I welcomed the categorization and accepted these characteristics as the norm. That is, until I became a victim of it. As I began to discover my shortage in math and science I began to question my abilities in a negative way. I began to internalize my inability to meet the “norms” and also became sensitive to negative comments made by my other classmates. Constantly being compared to other Asians, I felt like I was not normal—all Asians are good at math, why wasn’t I?